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Does SPPB3 Support Joomla Load/module position shortcode or 3rd Party extension shortcodes?

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This is really frustrating - I had previous site pages done via ordinary Joomla articles but with JSN Pagebuilder, so none SP PB v3 pages etc.

I then purchased SP PB v3 as I didn't like the way JSN PB went about their v1, to v2 - it was a mess!

So now, I am rebuilding all my site pages with SP PB v3 but running into a problem, which for me is huge as I need to use a This is really frustrating - I had previous site pages done via ordinary Joomla articles but with JSN Pagebuilder, so none SP PB v3 pages etc.

I then purchased SP PB v3 as I didn't like the way JSN PB went about their v1, to v2 - it was a mess!

So now, I am rebuilding all my site pages with SP PB v3 but running into a problem, which for me is huge as I need to use a mix of Joomla {loadposition X}, {loadmodule X} and 2 3rd party extensions which have their own shortcodes.

These are 'Go Pricing' http://offlajn.com/go-pricing.html and their shortcode is for e.g.
{go_pricing id="name-of-pricing-table"}

Also I was using Regular Labs 'Tabs' and their shortcode in an article or module would be for e.g.
{tab Tab Title 1}

The text for the first tab...

{tab Tab Title 2}

The text for the second tab...

{/tabs}

However, whenever I use these now in for e.g. SP PB3 'Text' add-on, modal Popup, Accordion, Tabs, Raw Html5... NONE of them present correctly or at all and I would like to know if SP PB3 does actually support these types of shortcodes or not?

The only way I have encountered some relative success, is to create the sp page I'm working with and then a button, this then loads an AikonPopup that I've configured to popup one of the modules I have the Regularlab Tabs in but this is not ideal.

Therefore, does SPPB3 support 'Joomla Load/module position' shortcodes or the others I've mentioned above, as I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would not have full support atleast for Joomla cores {loadposition X}, {loadmodule X} at the very least, throughout various SPPB3 add-ons such as Tabs, Accordion, Popup, Text block etc?

Thanks in advance

33 Answers

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
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PS: I had a similar topic and request. At least for the Text based AddOns. It could be a parameter option, like we know from Joomla customHTML module. Maybe a good idea to turn the functionality On/Off, because of performance issues.
Please, follow and vote here:
https://www.joomshaper.com/forums/text-html-addons-prepare-content-run-plugins

SP PageBuilder does not run its content through content-prepare function!
But you have a load module/position AddOn.

The RegularLabs plugins are different. They run as System plugins and therefor everywhere. Probably not following the initial sense and guidelines of the Joomla core "team".

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
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PS: I had a similar topic and request. At least for the Text based AddOns. It could be a parameter option, like we know from Joomla customHTML module. Maybe a good idea to turn the functionality On/Off, because of performance issues.

SP PageBuilder does not run its content through content-prepare function!
But you have a load module/position AddOn.

The RegularLabs plugins are different. They run as System plugins and therefor everywhere. Probably not following the initial sense and guidelines of the Joomla core "team".


Hi Pepper,

Interesting thoughts that you have, I haven't heard from them yet but hope it isn't as negative as I am fearing.

You said above "But you have a load module/position AddOn." - Is there, as I cannot see one listed in the 45 add-ons that my latest SPPB3 has? Unless you are speaking about the Raw Html5 add-on maybe?

Regards,

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
I cannot see one listed in the 45 add-ons that my latest SPPB3 has?


It is even in the FREE pagebuilder edition. Demo link:
https://try.sppagebuilder.com/index.php/37-joomla-module
In backend, it should be displayed as the first addon:
sppb3_addon_joomla_module.png

Although it's called "Joomla Module", it allows to select an entire "position" as well.

FYI – here is my related topic and feature request since PageBuilder v1:
https://www.joomshaper.com/forums/text-html-addons-prepare-content-run-plugins

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Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
Hi,
1) No, you cannot use shortcodes inside addons or SPPB content, sorry.
2) yes, you can use almost any module inside SPPB by "Module" addon as @pepperstreet
presented on screenshot

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
I cannot see one listed in the 45 add-ons that my latest SPPB3 has?


It is even in the FREE pagebuilder edition. Demo link:
https://try.sppagebuilder.com/index.php/37-joomla-module
In backend, it should be displayed as the first addon:
[attachment]sppb3_addon_joomla_module.png[/attachment]

Although it's called "Joomla Module", it allows to select an entire "position" as well.

FYI – here is my related topic and feature request since PageBuilder v1:
https://www.joomshaper.com/forums/text-html-addons-prepare-content-run-plugins


I noticed the 'Joomla module' early this morning and found it works fine for 'on-page' of a SPPB3 page but does not work in the way that I need it, for e.g. a Popup add-on and this is what I need, so is unfortunately useless to me.

I created a J module, inserted the shortcodes that some of my content is required to use and works just fine with the now outgoing JSN Pagebuilder (even in a popup) but their overall PB and business plan / methods are what made me leave... scant consolation in this instance though, as I'm worse off now.

Thanks for trying though.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
Hi,
1) No, you cannot use shortcodes inside addons or SPPB content, sorry.

Can I ask for the specific rationale behind this, to try and understand it please - shortcodes from various simple but much needed 3rd party extensions like Regularlabs tabs, Offlajn Pricing tables, are surely an important need to have in SPPB3 to make it a more complete and future proof solution as a PB?

2) yes, you can use almost any module inside SPPB by "Module" addon as @pepperstreet
presented on screenshot

I now understand that but again, tied in with the above and also what I've replied to @pepperstreet with, it unfortunately doesn't help my use case at all.

Regards,

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
ad 1) high probability of JS conflicts.


Alternative solution:
1) Add Custom module
2) Inside Put shortcodes
3) Enable Prepare content (screenshot)
4) Assign to "pagebuilder" module position
5) publish using "MODULE" addon
prepare-content.jpg

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Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
Hi Paul,

Thank you for that, much appreciated. However, as it's content that can make my SPPB3 pages lenghty - I really needed to be able to insert this content if on the same main service content page, as a pagebreak. However, your version / use of Tinymce doesn't allow this.

Therefore, I then thought how else can I achieve this and with not putting everything on the same page, so it doesn't overload it and thought of a modal but your alternative solution is placing this additional content, in the same page and that is unfortunately no good for these pages.

I have read various topics about Pagebreaks and SPPB but can you clarify for me directly please, is there anyway to be able to place pagebreaks within SPPB3 'Pages' Rows?

Thanks in advance.

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
Page breaks - Not possible as I know.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
Fast becoming an abject failure on the part of SPPB3's development then, of such standard items - whether one builds with SPPB3, or the other PB's or J core Articles etc doesn't matter!

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
You cannot have all. Life is the art of compromise.
Our tool is still develop , so new features will come.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
You cannot have all. Life is the art of compromise.
Our tool is still develop , so new features will come.


I don't see page breaks as seeking all, it's should be a very standard feature indeed - certainly not seeking the earth Paul, don't kid yourself.

I accept that SPPB3 is always evolving, as it should but if such as a row pagebreak hasn't appeared for the few years that traces on Google show it has been sought by purchases of SP PB1, 2 and now 3 - then it is pointless attaching any kind of hope to this need.

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
If you can share Page Builder which already have this feature, it can be useful for us as a source of inspiration.
If you do not know any, make a simple mock-up what you need.
Are you agree with me it's a good deal?

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
As I mentioned above Paul, whether other PB's have a page break or not, shouldn't mean that you will only ever follow suit with the other PB's - if it's a fairly standard and often used add-on, such as a page break; which we all know the resource benefits to being able to cut a page in half for e.g. to the visitor upon their first eye on a particular page(s), yet still have remaining deeper information there behind the (page break scenes, should they require it.

Tinymce HAS a page break in it, but as you don't enable SPPB3 to utilise the 'default' J editor, as selected in the 'Global Configuration' of Joomla, this means that I / others who use Tinymce, cannot make use of additional tinymce editor options, such as their page break. We default to Joomshaper's in-built version of Tinymce editor and this is sooooooooo limited, especially for backend site owners who often need more options to craft their text, page elements compared to frontend site visitors etc.

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
In meantime before you regain control of the keyboard (you last empty post), I will ask our developer about plans.

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Tabs, Accordion, Popup, Text block etc - we have addon for it, you do not need extra plugins for that. Our the original objectives was different. Reduce number of extra extensions, keep All Features in One Tool.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
For e.g. other components or extensions where I need the use of an editor within said component or extension, I can utilise Tinymce as installed in my Joomla install and to it's full capability, which includes having the pagebreak added to super admin level of tinymce... with SPPB3 I therefore cannot in it's current guise, or what you offer with SPPB3 and Tinymce.

P.S. What version / level of Tinymce are Joomshaper using in SPPB3?

Can you not add Tinymce's 'Pagebreak' to your in-built SPPB3 use of the editor Tinymce, it would surely be the quickest option, with no real disruption for those that don't want to make use of such a pagebreak option... but it can have such dramatic positive effects it being there within SPPB3?

www. tinymce. com/docs-3x/reference/plugins/[email protected] (the only way for the whole post to appear is by placing some spaces in the URL)

I look forward to your further input in this matter.

It seems that trying to add a link in the above / previous post(s), whether just pasted in directly or using your editor's 'Link' button, is what is causing the post to show live as a blank post but keep the message in the editor = something for Joomshaper to look into and nothing of my doing.

Therefore, kindly take back the 'until you regain control of your keyboard comment' thank you.

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
WE use this same TinyMCE from Joomla core, but with limited features.

You need page break where exactly in text addons, or ______ ?
Sorry, not fully understand your concept.
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About shortcodes, probably tomorrow I should get info.

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
(Following…)

IMHO, a "PageBreak" in the sense of the Joomla article and editor makes no sense to me. There is no reason to split something up inside a PageBuilder page. Currently pages have a full-view, there is no category list view of pages. (Except for the regular article intro display, if integration is used)

If the "article integration" would change in this regards, and the PageBuilder content would display on a blog-view, I could imagine some sort of an intro and full part. I am not sure if this is beyond the usual and typical use of a "page builder" tool. Also it would make things to complex and complicated.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
WE use this same TinyMCE from Joomla core, but with limited features.

You need page break where exactly in text addons, or ______ ?
Sorry, not fully understand your concept.
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About shortcodes, probably tomorrow I should get info.


To have the option of page break in 'pages - rows' as an add-on, such as 'Empty Space' would be the main one that I don't have the option to do at present.

The reason for this, is that if constructing full ' SP Page Builder - Pages', rather than using SPPB3 to insert actual Joomla articles (which I can do a page break for but don't want to utilise this route), I / we should be able to utilise SPPB3 to it's maximum abilities and not utilise J articles but have the option of pagebreaks for pages that are very lengthy in content... if our use case calls for that. :)

OK on the shortcodes, be interested to hear the outcome and much appreciated.

Regards,

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
(Following…)

IMHO, a "PageBreak" in the sense of the Joomla article and editor makes no sense to me. There is no reason to split something up inside a PageBuilder page. Currently pages have a full-view, there is no category list view of pages. (Except for the regular article intro display, if integration is used)

If the "article integration" would change in this regards, and the PageBuilder content would display on a blog-view, I could imagine some sort of an intro and full part. I am not sure if this is beyond the usual and typical use of a "page builder" tool. Also it would make things to complex and complicated.


Hi Pepperstreet,

I have to disagree with your position of "There is no reason to split something up inside a PageBuilder page" as outlined in my last reply above to Paul. Although, I do agree that it may only be my use case that needs it and if it cannot be done as not enough other users need a page break add-on within the 'SP PageBuilder Pages' part of putting pages together, then I will have to just go the way I currently have.

I have had to put content within accordion but I am more limited by doing this, as opposed to if i could have the 'page break' add-on in it's own row and split content length up by only offering a shortened page of content at first glance to end users / viewers and then the more technical information only being for certain viewers is still there but only viewed via them seeking to click through the pagebreak.

It's hard to explain I suppose, as I cannot show how I percieve my use case but I will see what Paul and Joomshaper come back with and take it from there.

Regards,

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
I have had to put content within accordion but I am more limited by doing this, as opposed to if i could have the 'page break' add-on in it's own row and split content length up by only offering a shortened page of content at first glance to end users / viewers and then the more technical information only being for certain viewers is still there but only viewed via them seeking to click through the pagebreak.


Aah, I think I got your idea now. I was slightly confused by the term "page break".
Actually you want to hide a part of the current page, and reveal the hidden part on-click. So you stay technically on the same page and URL. Then I would suggest to implement a section/row based solution. In other words a "collapsable row". That should be possible, without changing the structure, and you could insert nested rows and many add ons as you want.
(PS: I remember another WP pagebuilder with such a feature)

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
I have had to put content within accordion but I am more limited by doing this, as opposed to if i could have the 'page break' add-on in it's own row and split content length up by only offering a shortened page of content at first glance to end users / viewers and then the more technical information only being for certain viewers is still there but only viewed via them seeking to click through the pagebreak.


Aah, I think I got your idea now. I was slightly confused by the term "page break".
Actually you want to hide a part of the current page, and reveal the hidden part on-click. So you stay technically on the same page and URL. Then I would suggest to implement a section/row based solution. In other words a "collapsable row". That should be possible, without changing the structure, and you could insert nested rows and many add ons as you want.
(PS: I remember another WP pagebuilder with such a feature)


Pepperstreet,

You are correct and when I was trying to articulate the original post, I did use the term 'read more' but for some reason then backed off from that one. :(

However, it is more of a 'read / load more' than a page break, as the idea is not to split a pages content into several linked pages, but as you have picked up - to split a long page of content / information into a more digestable two or more parts via a read / load more.

i.e. Enter a “Read More” in SPPB3 section / row when you want to give the user a taste of an article / page content and then invite them to click for full details should they so wish / want.

Got there in the end and I hope that Paul / the Dev's in SPPB3 can see the positives of the above going forward.

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
FYI – search the net for "Beaver Builder" and "Expandable Row" ;)

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
FYI – search the net for "Beaver Builder" and "Expandable Row" ;)


Yup, that's the boy! Well, not as it's blasted WP *Shudders* but the method and outcome is what I dream of, haha!

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
WE use this same TinyMCE from Joomla core, but with limited features.

You need page break where exactly in text addons, or ______ ?
Sorry, not fully understand your concept.
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About shortcodes, probably tomorrow I should get info.


Any news from the devs on their thoughts about shortcode issue?

Regards,

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
this is not issue! How many times I have to tell this.
It wasn't developed for some reasons.

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
this is not issue! How many times I have to tell this.


Woah, woah, woah a minute Paul, let's get something straight here.

I sent my LAST reply, as your LAST reply was and I quote "About shortcodes, probably tomorrow I should get info." and to this end, I had / have a right to further query this asking for an update, as you didn't send any further info in OVER a week about it! *sighs*

It wasn't developed for some reasons.


OK, that's fine barring the above. However, providing a reason or escalating this to a dev would be extremely helpful, so they can state publicly the reason - rather than shooting it down in your own style!

I have to say, that whilst the SPPB3 component is bar a couple of nuances, extremely good - the attitude that you have shown on several occasions and not just on my threads, are NOT conducive to "good" customer service or support.

P.S. It won't just be I that requires 3rd Party Components Shortcode ability within SPPB3 either, to run certain page content through Joomla's content-prepare function... I can assure you of that, if Joomshaper wanted to pay sometime to finding out.

Paul Frankowski - Staff

More than a month ago #Permalink
sorry I was offline for 1 week, but in meantime I didn't get any positive respond about shortcodes from our dev team. So I can only guess, this is not planned yet. Sorry.

Pavel

More than a month ago #Permalink
Hi, Robert.
I do not think that the possibilities of shortcodes and page breaks will ever appear in SP PB. And for me, both for the user it is clear why. You should understand joomla to understand that the implementation of these functions occurs at the level of the Joomla kernel. And they can not be realized within the framework of individual components. It's the same if you demanded from the sports car manufacturer to tell you why they can not make a truck out of this. In order for SP SP to get these features, it should become a CMS by itself.

But you can use SP PB together with shortcodes and page breaks in joomla articles. To do this, use the standard joomla editor (do not switch to the SP PB article editor). Use SP PB modules and place them in the editor using shortcodes, alternating with other shortcodes.

I recommend to look at Content Templater from Regular Labs. This will help ease the routine work.

pepperstreet

More than a month ago #Permalink
I do not think that the possibilities of shortcodes and page breaks will ever appear in SP PB.


I do not think so. As you might see in the previous comments, @Robert used the Joomla terminology to describe the behavior... obviously it can't be the usual "J! PageBreak" because of technical reasons. The actual demand and solution is a collapsable/accordion feature for a certain page area. This is quite doable on a Row/Section basis. An outer row just needs the suitable markup, classes and data-attribs.

Regarding the Content-plugins: This is also doable. The question is the smart implementation. Sure, it should definitely not run always and everywhere... Even an optional parameter in the basic Text AddOn would be better than nothing! Hence the GitHub issue. I could also imagine a separate AddOn for this particular purpose. It could have even more advanced options for performance reasons. A nice side-effect: It could be used selectively in a page layout. ;)

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
I do not think that the possibilities of shortcodes and page breaks will ever appear in SP PB.


I do not think so. As you might see in the previous comments, @Robert used the Joomla terminology to describe the behavior... obviously it can't be the usual "J! PageBreak" because of technical reasons. The actual demand and solution is a collapsable/accordion feature for a certain page area. This is quite doable on a Row/Section basis. An outer row just needs the suitable markup, classes and data-attribs.

Regarding the Content-plugins: This is also doable. The question is the smart implementation. Sure, it should definitely not run always and everywhere... Even an optional parameter in the basic Text AddOn would be better than nothing! Hence the GitHub issue. I could also imagine a separate AddOn for this particular purpose. It could have even more advanced options for performance reasons. A nice side-effect: It could be used selectively in a page layout. ;)


Pepperstreet,

I agree entirely with your points above, regarding both the collapsible row ability and content-plugin ability. I got the phrasing incorrect in the first few posts r.e. 'J Pagebreak' but don't want to delete those - as they are part of the overall thread.

I disagree with Pavel on the basis that adding users of SPPB3 to have collapsible row's, therefore enabling very long content pages to be broken in two for page speed / resource increases, isn't a new thing and would be a benefit to many SPPB3 users I'm sure.

Not sure how I see this progressing though, as it seems a closed shop and not wanted at all by those within Joomshaper. :(

Pavel

More than a month ago #Permalink
I disagree with Pavel on the basis that adding users of SPPB3 to have collapsible row's, therefore enabling very long content pages to be broken in two for page speed / resource increases, isn't a new thing and would be a benefit to many SPPB3 users I'm sure.

Collapsible row and joomla page breaks are completely different things. Collapsible row - this is what can be done in SP PB

Robert Stones

More than a month ago #Permalink
I disagree with Pavel on the basis that adding users of SPPB3 to have collapsible row's, therefore enabling very long content pages to be broken in two for page speed / resource increases, isn't a new thing and would be a benefit to many SPPB3 users I'm sure.

Collapsible row and joomla page breaks are completely different things. Collapsible row - this is what can be done in SP PB


*sighs* I'm aware of that but it would seem you haven't read the full thread, to pick up it's shifted from an accidental wrong term originally (page break) to the correct solution that I meant which is (collapsible rows) but also take into account how @Pepperstreet is also kindly contributing good points.

Regards,


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